FINAL UPDATE: The military investigation into the matter has come up with nothing– without relying on anonymous sources.
UPDATE 2: See here, here, and here for more on the story. The more TNR talks– and the more investigation that is carried out– the less friendly the facts of this conversation are to them.
UPDATE: TNR validates! Well, sort of. We have accounts from “anonymous” sources, which is, I suppose, only fair, and an admission that the IED victim story happened not in Iraq, but in Kuwait. Before they deployed, which seems to strip the story of much of its anti-war overtones– and, incidentally, validates the questions raised by soldiers from FOB Falcon as to why they had never seen the woman in question. As I wrote in the comments:
“…note that I do not suggest they are not true, and that even if they were, John Cole still parrots a party line that is either dishonest or stupid. (As a sidenote, I’d point out that reading a post carefully before commenting on it is generally a good idea).”
In any case, I have to run, but see this post at Ace of Spades and this one from PW for more about why this doesn’t change a great deal of the problems many bloggers had with the initial articles.
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Much like “culture warrior“, it seems as if another someone else is unhappy with the conservative blogosphere for their reaction to the Scott Thomas controversy. Jeff Goldstein comments:
Well, what remains to be said, John? If the “nutters” continue to harp on the significance of reporting fiction as truth, they are simply trying to distract us from the mess that is Iraq. If they move on to the next outrage, they are simply trying to distract us from the mess that is Iraq. If they write on the surge strategy and its successes, they are simply trying to distract us from the mess that is Iraq. If they write about Paris Hilton, or take on Barack Obama’s bluster about invading Pakistan, one wonders why they aren’t taking on the mess that is Iraq.
Much like Andrew Sullivan, John Cole seems somewhat unhindered by the fact that Beauchamp’s accounts have been seriously questioned by credible individuals. He writes:
Is it possible that he was just a convenient distraction for the internuts that control discourse in the right-wing blogosphere, and now that the chest-thumping and bellowing and feigned outrage at these terrible smears against God and Country have been publicly displayed, they can move on to some other distraction? Like little dogs, they can go bite someone else’s ankle for whatever the perceived grievance du jour might be? Personally, I am betting it is Obama’s turn, as Malkin, the crown princess of the nutroots activist brigades on the right (no one can start a hysterical linkfest like she can), is already on the issue.
Note the implicit approval of Beauchamp– Cole has now tied his credibility to the authenticity of the accounts. Should they be proven false, Cole will need to explain why he maligned the critics of “Scott Thomas”without ever seriously considering that perhaps his sensationalist claims should be challenged.
Like many anti-war bloggers, John Cole builds most of his writing off the central premise that the single most important issue in America is how poorly the United States is doing in Iraq, and that most other controversies (a publication allowing questionable material to be published without thoroughly ensuring that the accounts were true) must be distractions designed by the right to ensure that “real dialog” (i.e., discussion of how poorly the United States is doing in Iraq) is squelched.
Goldstein’s analysis, it seems, is right on the money, and I think that’s because in reality, the distraction is not the Scott Thomas controversy, but Cole’s “Iraq is a mess” line, which is part of a carefully-designed strategy to shout-down the right. A reasonable person might conclude that Cole simply doesn’t have an answer to the arguments of the conservative blogosphere regarding Beauchamp– but that would assume too much, wouldn’t it?
Until Cole (and, perhaps Sullivan) are able to engage the criticisms of The New Republic instead of simply mocking them and moving on, I don’t think it is.
August 2, 2007 at 12:57 pm |
Approve Disapprove Unsure
% % % ALL adults 25 69 6
Republicans 57 38 5
Democrats 5 93 2
Independents 24 70 6
{source: pollingreport.com}
Looks like John’s winning
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7/9-17/07 25 70 5
6/26-28/07 23 70 7
5/18-23/07 23 72 5
August 2, 2007 at 12:57 pm |
“engage the criticisms”
Umm… What criticisms? Pretty much the only “proof” discounting Beauchamps accounts are:
1. Angry right wing bloggers rants.
2. Friends of angry right-wing bloggers writing from Iraq saying that it didn’t happen (they weren’t there of course).
3. Sandbox diagrams.
My favorite are folks telling Cole “we discredited his story and now there is an investigation.
Uh, shouldn’t the “investigation” come before the “discrediting?
August 2, 2007 at 1:17 pm |
Much of the criticisms of the TNR piece shock troops are not (and, to be fair, should not be looked at as) proof that the stories are false, rather, they are questions raised about its authenticity that should lead to some sort of investigation.
And, to be sure, they are strong criticisms that have serious merit. Beyond the fact that certain “facts” of the story seem terribly improbable, along with firsthand accounts (you can’t dismiss them simply by mocking them) that suggest that certain aspects of the story are false, Beauchamp himself seems less than credible.
None of which proves that the stories are false, merely that it should be investigated. Questions have been raised (who is the female IED victim, and why do soldiers from FOB Falcon not know her?/Can an armored vehicle really “swerve” to hit a dog?/Can a military helmet fit over a skull?/What “mass grave”? etc. etc. etc….)– they might have answers, but according many informed individuals, they probably don’t.
The sheer improbability of many of Beauchamp’s accusations make one wonder how the editors of TNR allowed such questionable material to be published. If they prove false, that will not bode well for the publication.
Ultimately, the Cole post was dishonest and, ironically enough, reactionary, replacing substance with mindless repetition of a party line: focus on the “mess” in Iraq…focus on the “mess” in Iraq… the very “distraction” that he claimed the Beauchamp affair to be in the first place.
August 2, 2007 at 1:34 pm |
You’re kidding, right…
August 2, 2007 at 1:38 pm |
Obviously you haven’t read many of the challenges to the story– had you, you would understand what that meant.
August 2, 2007 at 1:54 pm |
as you’ll soon find out (if you haven’t already)–Beauchamp’s stories and the details therein have been confirmed, so all you’ve publicly demonstrated here is your own ignorance, gullibility, rank partisanship, and devotion to sensationalism.
August 2, 2007 at 2:01 pm |
And you don’t link them because?….
August 2, 2007 at 2:03 pm |
In addition to the above request, note that I do not suggest they are not true, and that even if they were, John Cole still parrots a party line that is either dishonest or stupid. (As a sidenote, I’d point out that reading a post carefully before commenting on it is generally a good idea).
August 7, 2007 at 10:30 am |
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